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MessageSujet: Hadrian Reland   15/3/2008, 20:51

j'ai un ami israelien il est mon meilleur ami, mais le sujet de discorde qu'on n'arrive jamais a irradiquer de nos discussions c'est bien sur la question palestienne.

il est venu aujourd'hui avec cet argument historique sur la non presence arabe en palestine pour justifier et legitimer le retour des juifs a leur terre promise c'est le livre d'un cartographe geographe et philologue consideré comme aprmi les premiers orientaliste europeen originaire des provinces unises (hollande actuelle) et voici des conclusion tirés de son livre Palaestina ex
monumentis veteribus illustrata
:

1. Not one settlement in the Land of palestine has a name that is of
Arabic origin. Most of the settlement names originate in the Hebrew,
Greek, Latin or Roman languages. In fact, till today, except to
Ramlah, not one Arabic settlement has an original Arabic name. Till
today, most of the settlements names are of Hebrew or Greek origin,
the names distorted to senseless Arabic names. There is no meaning
in Arabic to names such as Acco (Acre), Haifa, Jaffa, Nablus, Gaza,
or Jenin and towns named Ramallah, El Halil and El-Kuds (Jerusalem)
lack historical roots or Arabic philology. In 1696, the year Relandi
toured the land, Ramallah, for instance, was called Bet'allah (From
the Hebrew name Beit El) and Hebron was called Hebron (Hevron) and
the Arabs called Mearat HaMachpelah El Chalil, their name for the
Forefather Abraham.

2. Most of the land was empty, desolate, and the inhabitants few
in number and mostly concentrate in the towns Jerusalem, Acco, Tzfat,
Jaffa, Tiberius and Gaza. Most of the inhabitants were Jews and the
rest Christians. There were few Muslims, mostly nomad Bedouins.
Nablus, known as Shchem, was exceptional, where approximately 120
people, members of the Muslim Natsha family and approximately 70
Shomronites, lived.

In the Galilee capital, Nazareth, lived approximately 700
Christians and in Jerusalem approximately 5000 people, mostly Jews
and some Christians.

The interesting part was that Relandi mentioned the Muslims as
nomad Bedouins who arrived in the area as construction and
agriculture labor reinforcement, seasonal workers.

In Gaza for example, lived approximately 550 people, fifty
percent Jews and the rest mostly Christians. The Jews grew and
worked in their flourishing vineyards, olive tree orchards and wheat
fields (remember Gush Katif?) and the Christians worked in commerce
and transportation of produce and goods. Tiberius and Tzfat were
mostly Jewish and except of mentioning fishermen fishing in Lake
Kinneret -- the Lake of Galilee -- a traditional Tiberius
occupation, there is no mention of their occupations. A town like Um
el-Phahem was a village where ten families, approximately fifty
people in total, all Christian, lived and there was also a small
Maronite church in the village (The Shehadah family).

3. The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a
"Palestinian heritage," or Palestinian nation. The book strengthens
the connection, relevance, pertinence, kinship of the Land of Israel
to the Jews and the absolute lack of belonging to the Arabs, who
robbed the Latin name Palestina and took it as their own.
"Adrian Reland (1676-1718), Dutch
Orientalist, was born at Ryp, studied at Utrecht and Leiden, and was
professor of Oriental languages successively at Harderwijk (1699)
and Utrecht (1701). His most important works were Palaestina ex
monumentis veteribus illustrata.


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MessageSujet: Re: Hadrian Reland   15/3/2008, 21:27

En fait ce texte ne prouve rien, c'est juste une affirmation qui repose sur des données inverifiables (du genre une centaine de personnes, une dizaines de familles etc ) et qui ne peut pas etre prouvée ... Je suis sur que n'importe quel autre historien peu scrupuleux peut affirmer le contraire et donner des chiffres plus importants !!

D'ailleurs ils ne sont pas a leur premier coup ... La plus grosse arnaque historique pour justifier leur presence a jerusalem c'est le temple de Salomon ... qui n'existe que dans la torah et qui se veut etre sous la mosquee d'al aksa ... malgres les fouilles datant de plusieurs année ils n'ont rien trouvé ... les fouilles continuent encore sous la moquée, en mettant en danger l'edifice !!

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Nous n’avons aucune donnée archéologique sur le Temple de Salomon. Le nom même du roi Salomon n’apparaît nulle part, à l’époque de son règne, dans les documents archéologiques du Proche-Orient. Cependant, comme la maison de David (c’est-à-dire sa dynastie) est mentionnée sur la stèle de Tell-Dan, l’archéologie ne met pas en doute l’existence d’un royaume de Salomon avec Jérusalem comme capitale. Seule l’étendue de ce royaume pose un vrai problème. Les analyses les plus récentes de la population de Jérusalem, faites à partir du relevé de la position des tombes et de leurs datations, conduisent à penser que la Jérusalem de Salomon, comme celle de David, avait la taille d’un village de montagne, situé à l’emplacement de ce qu’on appelle la Cité de David. Si Salomon a effectivement construit un Temple à Jérusalem, il ne s’agissait certainement pas d’une vaste construction.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_de_J%C3%A9rusalem


Dans les deux camps des historiens malhonnêtes ont émis de fausses informations pour justifier telle ou telle revendication

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MessageSujet: Re: Hadrian Reland   15/3/2008, 22:05

et que les historiens musulmans le confirment pourtant :

When Jerusalem came under the control of Muslims in 638, Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattāb (580-644) was given the key to the city by the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius. He later asked the Patriarch to show him what Umar spelled out as "Masjid Dawud" (Mosque of David) and what was called "Mihrab Dawud" (David's sanctuary or prayer niche)
in the Qur'an (38:21). David chose the site on which Solomon built his
temple. The Patriarch took him to the door of the sanctuary which was
almost blocked due to the trash that was placed at the door. Umar
looked left and right and said: “Allah is Great, I swear by the one who
holds my soul in his hand that this is the Mosque of David which the
prophet of Allah described to us after his night journey.”


Umar started cleaning up the place, using his clothes to remove the
rubble and other Muslims imitated him in this. After cleaning up the
place, Umar entered the building and started praying, reciting the
Quranic sura Sad.
Thereby Umar converted the building into a mosque, an Islamic place of prayer which did not infringe on nearby Christian and Jewish sites of worship.




Umar also asked Ka'ab al-Ahbar, a Jewish Rabbi who had converted to Islam and came with Umar from Medina, to guide him to the place of the Rock.

The building currently in existence is a result of different stages
of construction and renovations. It is usually agreed upon that 'Abd al-Malik (685-705), the Umayyad Caliph who was the patron of the Dome of the Rock, started to reconstruct the mosque at the southern end of the precinct. This work was continued by his son and successor al-Walid I (709-715), who renovated and expanded the building and at this time called it Al-Aqsa Mosque, which means "the farthest mosque".
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